Comments on: Chapters Four and Five of Developing Applications in JavaScript using the Palm Mojo™ Framework now available http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/ News about developing webOS apps Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:36:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: jd http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-1618 jd Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:55:07 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-1618 Please just release the SDK. Call it an "alpha" or "beta" release and don't worry about anyone calling you an idiot. We have all been through enough software releases to know what "beta" means. Giving some developers a few months head start is wrong. Please just release the SDK. Call it an “alpha” or “beta” release and don’t worry about anyone calling you an idiot. We have all been through enough software releases to know what “beta” means. Giving some developers a few months head start is wrong.

]]> By: brian http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-1315 brian Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:38:12 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-1315 How do I get a refund on the book? I've went ahead and bought an IPHONE. tired of waiting around for this dumb SDK. How do I get a refund on the book?

I’ve went ahead and bought an IPHONE. tired of waiting around for this dumb SDK.

]]> By: Tim http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-1194 Tim Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:30:15 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-1194 I am very disappointed that the Palm PRE has been released and we still do not have access to the SDK. Quite frankly, Palm needs us, there are multiple mobile platforms we can develop in, Palm is just an option. All the press releases surrounding the PRE have commented on the lack of application availability. Let us help you!!! Apple’s developer’s conference is right around the corner, and some of us are having to make big choices right now. Most cannot spend the time developing in both environments. The PRE is an exciting device right now, but will it still be exciting next quarter? Certainly not for us if the SDK isn’t released to those of us who have already applied in the next few days. I am very disappointed that the Palm PRE has been released and we still do not have access to the SDK. Quite frankly, Palm needs us, there are multiple mobile platforms we can develop in, Palm is just an option. All the press releases surrounding the PRE have commented on the lack of application availability. Let us help you!!!

Apple’s developer’s conference is right around the corner, and some of us are having to make big choices right now. Most cannot spend the time developing in both environments. The PRE is an exciting device right now, but will it still be exciting next quarter? Certainly not for us if the SDK isn’t released to those of us who have already applied in the next few days.

]]> By: Palm Pre Applications http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-1172 Palm Pre Applications Sun, 07 Jun 2009 04:48:21 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-1172 Any news on how developers might protect source? With a file-manager application, I imagine it will be trivial to see the HTML5, JS, and CSS associated with any given app. Do apps run in an inaccessible sandbox or something? Any news on how developers might protect source? With a file-manager application, I imagine it will be trivial to see the HTML5, JS, and CSS associated with any given app. Do apps run in an inaccessible sandbox or something?

]]> By: Sammi http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-802 Sammi Tue, 19 May 2009 18:01:06 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-802 It would be great if you guys had a general place to ask questions and make comments like this, but since you don't here goes... and I guess I don't expect an answer but I have to ask anyway. With the release date set for the Pre on June 6th, can we assume that the SDK is not going to be available before the launch of the phone? I'm asking because there is a lot of speculation that it could be several months before the SDK is released to everyone and a lot of developers are upset becuase they've lost first mover advantage because their app was not what Palm was looking for. The chosen ones will have had several months head start by the time the bulk of developers get the SDK. Seems like a very bad way to energize the entire base of developers to me. Much worse than releasing what you have and us calling you idiots, which we could not do anyway because of the NDA that I assume we would sign. What about a second tier of early release where we get the SDK but no support to limit the load on your end. Somehow Palm needs to make this happen becuase if it's going to be several months before the general SDK release I can tell you a LOT of developers will forget about the Pre and move on. No one wants to be playing catchup from day one with the devs that have had several months head start. It would be great if you guys had a general place to ask
questions and make comments like this, but since you don’t
here goes… and I guess I don’t expect an answer but I
have to ask anyway.

With the release date set for the Pre on June 6th, can we
assume that the SDK is not going to be available before the
launch of the phone?

I’m asking because there is a lot of speculation that it could be several months before the SDK is released to
everyone and a lot of developers are upset becuase they’ve
lost first mover advantage because their app was not what
Palm was looking for. The chosen ones will have had several
months head start by the time the bulk of developers get
the SDK. Seems like a very bad way to energize the entire
base of developers to me. Much worse than releasing what
you have and us calling you idiots, which we could not do
anyway because of the NDA that I assume we would sign.

What about a second tier of early release where we get the
SDK but no support to limit the load on your end. Somehow
Palm needs to make this happen becuase if it’s going
to be several months before the general SDK release I can
tell you a LOT of developers will forget about the Pre and
move on. No one wants to be playing catchup from day one
with the devs that have had several months head start.

]]> By: Palm Developers Network http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-686 Palm Developers Network Thu, 07 May 2009 21:33:08 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-686 I know it's not the answer people want, but until the SDK and Documentation are ready for general release, they can't be released, and until they are, I really can't say all that much.<br><br>It's best to consider webOS as a startup in stealth mode, because in many ways, that's what's going on. There are some people getting invites to take an early look, but the primary purpose of that is to give us feedback to improve things -- and to make sure the software and docs allow you to build good applications for the phone, rather than call us nasty names and write us off as idiots. <br><br>I wish I could let more people into the early access program and do it faster than I currently am (but I only type so fast); honestly? I'd rather just release it, because there are other things I'd rather be doing than paperwork involving the early access program (like, oh, programming in webOS!) -- but we want to make sure this stuff works. <br><br>We want to see this stuff released as much as you all do; I can't wait to see what people can do with the platform. But I have to encourage everyone to continue being a bit patient. The one thing worse than not releasing this is releasing something that's broken. That's what we're working to make srue does NOT happen. <br><br>chuq I know it's not the answer people want, but until the SDK and Documentation are ready for general release, they can't be released, and until they are, I really can't say all that much.

It's best to consider webOS as a startup in stealth mode, because in many ways, that's what's going on. There are some people getting invites to take an early look, but the primary purpose of that is to give us feedback to improve things — and to make sure the software and docs allow you to build good applications for the phone, rather than call us nasty names and write us off as idiots.

I wish I could let more people into the early access program and do it faster than I currently am (but I only type so fast); honestly? I'd rather just release it, because there are other things I'd rather be doing than paperwork involving the early access program (like, oh, programming in webOS!) — but we want to make sure this stuff works.

We want to see this stuff released as much as you all do; I can't wait to see what people can do with the platform. But I have to encourage everyone to continue being a bit patient. The one thing worse than not releasing this is releasing something that's broken. That's what we're working to make srue does NOT happen.

chuq

]]> By: Scott http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-681 Scott Thu, 07 May 2009 05:20:08 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-681 Even in lieu of the SDK, emulator, etc., some API documentation would be very helpful. I'm trying to make some design decisions for my application and don't know what's possible on the device. E.g., can a web link or SMS open an application? Does the GPS call return a location even when the signal is lost (i.e., last location, or approximate from WiFi)? What's available with respect to push updates? Is the HTML5 "web sockets" protocol supported, or do we have to resort to a streaming AJAX hack? The rough cuts documentation hasn't gotten anywhere near this. A basic outline of the APIs would be more than sufficient to keep things moving along in the design phase. Many coders are rather accustomed to "rough" documentation -- it can't be any worse than the motherboard manuals in the early 90's. Even in lieu of the SDK, emulator, etc., some API documentation would be very helpful. I'm trying to make some design decisions for my application and don't know what's possible on the device. E.g., can a web link or SMS open an application? Does the GPS call return a location even when the signal is lost (i.e., last location, or approximate from WiFi)? What's available with respect to push updates? Is the HTML5 “web sockets” protocol supported, or do we have to resort to a streaming AJAX hack? The rough cuts documentation hasn't gotten anywhere near this. A basic outline of the APIs would be more than sufficient to keep things moving along in the design phase. Many coders are rather accustomed to “rough” documentation — it can't be any worse than the motherboard manuals in the early 90's.

]]> By: Gareth http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-679 Gareth Thu, 07 May 2009 03:37:34 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-679 OK, I've read those now, looking forward to the next chapter already - I've got to do /something/ while I wait for my SDK approval *cough*hint*cough* OK, I've read those now, looking forward to the next chapter already – I've got to do /something/ while I wait for my SDK approval *cough*hint*cough*

]]> By: Nick Carter http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-676 Nick Carter Thu, 07 May 2009 03:08:08 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-676 My comment on the previous post, verbatim:<br><br>Can you speak on the availability of synchronous database API? This was added recently to HTML5/Web Storage spec and it would be amazing to have this available at launch time. I'm not aware of its implementation status in the general WebKit code base... My comment on the previous post, verbatim:

Can you speak on the availability of synchronous database API? This was added recently to HTML5/Web Storage spec and it would be amazing to have this available at launch time. I'm not aware of its implementation status in the general WebKit code base…

]]> By: Palm Developers Network http://developer.palm.com/blog/2009/04/chapters-four-and-five-of-developing-applications-in-javascript-using-the-palm-mojo%e2%84%a2-framework-now-available/comment-page-1/#comment-673 Palm Developers Network Thu, 07 May 2009 00:59:26 +0000 http://pdnblog.palm.com/?p=142#comment-673 I understand your feelings, but an auto-reply doesn't actually help. We're getting people into the program as fast as we can, but we have many, many more than we can handle right now. We're working on this, and I spent the morning letting more people into the program.<br><br>An application's status is pretty simple: if you were accepted into the program, you know, because I sent you email.<br><br>A few (VERY few) applications were rejected -- spammers and one or two with blatantly incorrect info in them (as in, no, I don't believe the Queen of England wants to program the Pre). <br><br>Everyone else is in the "still pending" pile. So if we did have an auto-reply, all it would say is "still pending. Sorry, we're getting there as fast as we can". <br><br>which is what we're doing.<br><br>chuq I understand your feelings, but an auto-reply doesn't actually help. We're getting people into the program as fast as we can, but we have many, many more than we can handle right now. We're working on this, and I spent the morning letting more people into the program.

An application's status is pretty simple: if you were accepted into the program, you know, because I sent you email.

A few (VERY few) applications were rejected — spammers and one or two with blatantly incorrect info in them (as in, no, I don't believe the Queen of England wants to program the Pre).

Everyone else is in the “still pending” pile. So if we did have an auto-reply, all it would say is “still pending. Sorry, we're getting there as fast as we can”.

which is what we're doing.

chuq

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